Comments on: The War in Heaven on Earth Today

By: Jared

Jared — Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:55:32 +0000

I have always subscribed to the idea that governments that limit our freedom are continuing the plan of the adversary to take away our agency. I built a lot of my political philosophy off of this assumption and used some of these quotes in this video to back up that idea. Then I read a talk by Elder Oaks at BYU called Free Agency and Freedom where he said this:

“Now I will discuss some applications of these scriptural principles.
First, because free agency is a God-given precondition to the purpose of mortal life, no person or organization can take away our free agency in mortality.
Second, what can be taken away or reduced by the conditions of mortality is our freedom, the power to act upon our choices. Free agency is absolute, but in the circumstances of mortality freedom is always qualified.
Freedom may be qualified or taken away (1) by physical laws, including the physical limitations with which we are born, (2) by our own action, and (3) by the action of others, including governments.
1.Lehi taught his son Jacob that “men are free [have freedom] according to the flesh” (2 Nephi 2:27). For example, in the flesh we are subject to the physical law of gravity. If I should hang from the catwalk here in the Marriott Center and release my grip, I would not be free to will myself into a soft landing. And I cannot choose to run through a brick wall.
A loss of freedom reduces the extent to which we can act upon our choices, but it does not deprive us of our God-given free agency.”

Can all of these ideas be reconciled or are we forced to choose one general authority over another?

By: Jordan

Jordan — Sun, 13 Nov 2011 05:58:20 +0000

I don’t think Walter’s comment was meant in the way the two commenters previous to me have interpreted it. Though I cannot speak for Walter, what I think he meant was that we must consider the counsel of ALL latter-day prophets, including the current prophet and President of the Church- Thomas S. Monson. We do not discount the counsel of the prophets of the Bible and the Book of Mormon when we seek understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and what His gospel requires of us, and the same can be said for all of the Latter-day prophets as well.

To put what Walter said in other words, following the current prophet is good, and required of us, but it is not the ONLY thing that is required of us. That is why we have the scriptures in the first place. We must consider ALL righteous and inspired counsel.

By: Lyle

Lyle — Tue, 08 Mar 2011 19:13:39 +0000

Walter’s comment marginalizing the current prophet is false doctrine — nowhere taught in the Church past and present. Mia is correct in stating that we should heed the words of the present, living prophet today who is Pres. Thomas S. Monsen.

By: Mia

Mia — Wed, 02 Mar 2011 05:09:06 +0000

“Thus, the often stated claim that all we need to do is follow the current living prophet is simply not entirely true.”-Comment made by Walter

I hope I am not misunderstanding this statement because I have always understood that we have received revelation that the prophet will never lead the church astray. I also understood if he were ever to attempt to this he would be struck down because didn’t Christ say there was never going to be another apostasy on the earth again after the restoration? If this is true. Then we can follow the modern living prophet.

By: Tony

Tony — Tue, 24 Aug 2010 05:48:14 +0000

All these videos are phenomenal. Is there a way to get them with the background music a little lower. I tried using them for a Family Home Evening and the speakers seemed to be competing with the background music. Just a thought. Thanks again for the effort you put in to this.

By: Brenda

Brenda — Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:15:56 +0000

Walter, above, said:
…due to the fact that the secret combination, many of whom are now LDS, would destroy the church…

Compare the works and words of LDS church member Glenn Beck to the words and works of LDS church member Senator Harry Reid. –and where does Senator Orrin Hatch stand on issues?

And do we know how these LDS Congressmen represent their constituents?:

Senators:
Robert Bennett (R-Utah) since 1993
Michael Crapo (R-Idaho) since 1999
Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) since 1977
Harry Reid (D-Nevada) since 1987
Gordon Smith (R-Oregon) since 1997

Representatives:
Robert Bishop (R-Utah) since 2003
Leonard Boswell (D-Iowa) since 1997
Christopher Cannon (R-Utah) since 1997
John Doolittle (R-California) since 1991
Jeff Flake (R-Arizona) since 2001
Dean Heller (R-Nevada) since 2007
Walter Herger (R-California) since 1987
James Matheson (D-Utah) since 2001
Howard McKeon (R-California) since 1993
Michael Simpson (R-Idaho) since 1999
Thomas Udall (D-New Mexico) since 1999

By: Walter

Walter — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 05:19:23 +0000

In response to Elisabeth who expressed frustration about the lack of direction from our leaders relative to our responsibility to save the Constitution, let me say that such direction from current living general authorities is not likely to come due to the fact that the secret combination, many of whom are now LDS, would destroy the church if such direction went beyond vague generalities. The Lord has already said enough about this through previous prophets such that all of us are left without excuse. Thus, the often stated claim that all we need to do is follow the current living prophet is simply not entirely true. There is also the problem with what Pres. J. Reuben Clark Jr. and Pres. Ezra Taft Benson referred to as the increasingly large number of “ravening wolves” in leadership positions in the church who preach false doctrines about government, among other things, and who persecute those who stand firm in defending liberty and who are trying to awaken the LDS “to a sense of your awful situation”. Let the council of previous prophets and the Holy Ghost be your guide in this matter, and expect persecution. The tares will resist you but the wheat will heartily appreciate you.

By: Elisabeth

Elisabeth — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:15:19 +0000

I have been frustrated with the lack of direction and what to do as a LDS that in desperation I wanted to find something stating what prophets have said about our freedoms, our constitution, and our wayward government. I feel great relief knowing that I found this website. Where and when do people come together to find out what to do and how to combat this attack on the American people. At church there isn’t much said about what to do from the pulpit. I have always heard that the priesthood would save the constitution by a thread and my question is how will that happen? Will we have direction from our prophet? I agree that step 5 of joining with others is one that must not be left out.

By: Bryan

Bryan — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:06:20 +0000

I appreciated you insertion of Elder Christensen, in the February 2006 Ensign, emphasized this as well when he said:

What a sacred privilege and responsibility is ours to participate with other like-minded people to ensure that basic freedoms are preserved wherever we reside.

I think this step 5 of joining with others is one that must not be left out.

By: Brice

Brice — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:57:23 +0000

Finally, a website that approaches real issues from a fully LDS point-of-view. You do the same thing here from an LDS perspective that C.W. Skousen’s organization (http://nccs.net) and Stephen Pratt (http://libertyandlearning.com) do from a more historical perspective.

Freedom, presented from the historical perspective, exposes the sins and the secret combinations in the U.S. government. Freedom, presented from an LDS perspective, clarifies what we need to do to fix the situation. This approach makes a very nice complement to the work that others have already done and is actually more useful for introducing this knowledge to religious Latter-Day Saints.

So far, what I’ve seen is well presented, thorough, and accurate. Nice job and congratulations on the excellent redesign. I wish that I had the time to contribute the way that you do.